What exactly is a Big Name Pagan?



So continuing on from the last post. It probably is best we look at what a Big-Name Pagan (BNP) is, and what role they fill in communities.


First what they are not is necessarily a leader. They are celebrities (that is the big named part) and they are their own product. First and foremost, if you list some BNP types, you will see very few leaders, and a whole heaping lot of Authors. What Leaders you do see, are known less for their groups they lead, and more for their activism, or activities. In at least one case there are BNPs who are famous for being famous or infamous, and not what they have achieved.


So, getting upset that the BNPs do not take a stand on something or other (beyond when they spearhead it) is not understanding what they are.


What they can be is a rallying point (but guess what you will do all the work, and then they shall claim the victory). They will always think “how does this affect me, or my product?”. Not “Oh my, that’s something that needs fixed”. Of course, when it affects them, they call out the troops. Those who are followers. Oh and those followers will be relentless, to perhaps catch the eye of this Celebrity.


To be angry at a BNP for not doing something, would be the same as getting angry at a modern Popstar for not doing something. Can you name the last popstar who crusaded on a cause? To their detriment? Probably not.


So that’s it BNPs are Celebrities. Usually living off old glories.


What else can they be?


They can be useful tools. If you can get them to engage. Be it a festival, be it a cause, be it a endorsement. People will notice them more than they will notice others.


But to reiterate. Almost none of them are leaders.


Who can name an Arch Druid of say ADF? This is for people not part of ADF please. IF you answered Isaac Bonewitts. Contgrats. He left in the 1990s, the early 90s. Who succeeded him? Then succeeded them? Etc. They are there to lead an Org. You want them to not be too noticeable. However a few years back the ADF Arch Druid, signed a stance against the AFA (Asatru Folk Assembly, a pagan hate group). It was called Declaration 127 Without googling or being part of ADF. Can you name them? OR the other Leaders who did so? This is important, they did it, because it was right (yeah there was internal politics, I was still a member) not to be noticed. A BNP? Would be waving it about, to show they care.


So next time, you suck at the teat of fame. Ask yourself. Do they care?




“Big” Named Pagans a cautionary tale



Every subculture has them, no matter how respectable they think they are. Who are them? Parasitic celebrities. In paganism they have been deemed BNPS. That technically means Big Named Pagans, but the phrase Big Nose Pagan is also used, of course in the pejorative.


Now is celebrity bad? No of course not, its intrinsic to the human condition, and as a reconstructive Indo-European flavoured pagan, I understand its importance. Time for a little side trip from the main point. The late pre-Christian and early Christian Irish people had a couple of ideas about fame. It is reasonable to assume all the Celtic Speaking peoples had similar ideas. This evolved over time into the concept of “honour” though in a very mutated form. As we have seen in previous blogs of mine the idea of honour became somewhat corrupted, or at least misused.


The Irish I’ve mentioned had three concepts that are applicable here (it will become apparent as I write why).

  • Modern Irish oineach by way of ainech and in Irish originally from enech (hence why I use that term). In Old Celtic (aka Proto Celtic) it was eniequos (more correctly *enīkʷos) , in Cymric wyneb, and Cornish and Bretton enep. It means “Face” (1), (2) If you trace this all the way back to the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European (PIE) you get the word h₃ekʷ-means either to see or eye. In Irish it meant “face”, and it is where the English phrase “to save face” comes from.  Though what this means is to maintain one’s face before ones community. It is how your community sees you.
  • Clú, means reputation or fame. Etymologically it comes from Old Irish clú (“fame”), which comes from Proto-Celtic *klowos, which in turn came from Proto-Indo-European *ḱléwos. (3) In PIE it means fame. Your reputation/fame was how people had heard of you (those who don’t know you, are not of your community, though your community did indeed care how you were heard of far and wide, as it reflected on them too.
  • Lóg n-enech, this translates to “the price of his face” or ones “honor price”. This is essentially the esteem you were held by your community. Your honor price was paid to you for a “wrong done to you”. This one is going to become important as we proceed.


Back onto the main part of the blog. Parasitic celebrity in the pagan sphere.

We have a group of celebrity pagans, who have achieved less than they try to make out. Authors of single books, owners of chains of stores, founders of festivals, that are poorly attended etc. They jealously guard their reputation. Fine, I understand that, but what they do to maintain their reputation, is do horrible things to maintain that. Not a year seems to go buy, that a respected member of the community, is not outed for doing something despicable. BE it molesting children and or child porn, or beating and raping their partner, to yes indeed threats against other members who dare defy them.


Before people think I’m exaggerating. Go look at the Pagan News Sphere, and remember that in the last few years have seen Kenny Klein go away for a very very long time (Child abuse, Kiddie porn etc), and Isaac Bonewits implicated for child abuse (as he’s dead no he can not defend it, however his views on the age of consent have been  confirmed by people who knew him well). These are just two of the worst. We have border line celebrities, who are famous for being well arseholes, who seem to generate hate, to be noticed.


Its time for another lesson in etymology from Dr Gar Gar.


The phrase Warlock does not indicate a male witch. No not one bit. That is a quite modern meaning. Yes word means change, but in this case it’s an odd choice.Warlock in modern English is from Middle English warloghe, warlowe, warloȝe, in turn from old English  wǣrloga all the way back to PIE *weh₁-. (4)


Yes Gareth that’s all well and good, but what did I mean? Well what it means is “traitor, deceiver”, literally “truce-breaker”). IF you look at the Low Land Scots (a dialect of English, not Gaelic)  definition of the word it can mean in addition to a traitor, a an old, ugly or misanthropic man.


So, why someone would align, let alone trust someone, who is advertising themselves as a traitor, and a breaker of oaths, I will never understand. Caveat emptor and all that Jazz.


But where is this leading? Oh well, go find someone one who takes the mantle of Warlock, who likes to think they are a celebrity, and look at their history. Here you will find a history of harassment and abuse.


Tell you what, start here



Now for appologists, thinking this is a single time being such a nasty peice of works? Oh no. He loves to threaten and harass….

Here is one (persons named obscured by request), its from some years back .

More threats

SO Christian (today) admitted that he said these things on a publicly available Pod cast. Where he attacked several people.


“Yes I said these horrible things. In a moment of Anger, but she (Amorella Moon) is a Horrible Person”


Basically its OK to wish someone is raped if they are horrible people.



Here is another


Note, he (who claims to be a Genius) just outlined what would be probable cause in a court of law.

Now I do have a reply (since I am threatened and named). It begins at 5 minutes and two seconds (5:02)